Ho ho ho.

Merry Christmas to all!

I hope everyone got the gifts they asked Santa for. I’m still waiting on my 20 porgs but I know Santa’s busy. I’m sure he’ll be here any minute now.

I’ll keep you posted.

  • Poe_Serling

    Thanks, C!

  • r.w. hahn

    Merry Christmas carson snd the SS faithful!

  • Adam McCulloch

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the good people here. May we all have much success in 2018.

  • PQOTD

    Carson, I hope you get your porgs. Citizen M, I hope you get your rain.

    As for those of you still waiting for shorts comp results, maybe that’ll be Santa Carson’s gift to you?

  • klmn

    And Happy Life Day to you, Carson!

    EDIT: Still waiting on your address, C. You know I promised you a Porg (as well as that Two Pound Reese’s Cup).

    Maybe 19 other SSers will send you a Porg each.

  • jaehkim

    Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone, and may the force be with you in the next year!

  • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

    Merry Christmas. Re: this year’s gifts. I brought my two nephews: Brycen (9) and Riley (5); Star War’s guns. The funny thing is the CHEAPER–and simplier gun–is the cooler and more powerful of the two. Brycen got this:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2728ca94644a7ef6718fd94ffae770d5a4db77ce03616e722cceba389776bd27.jpg
    Whereas Riley got the blaster pistol used by Poe Dameron that is ONLY a single shot and to shoot it you have to cock back an activator. The thing is the blaster pistol shoots a stronger shot. Weird, huh? O well, I tried.

  • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

    “… everyone has a great break from writing…” ?

    That should NEVER happen. Writers writer, always. It’s a compulsion for most. I know if I take too much of a break away from it, I get grumpy. Creatives create. That’s just how we roll, Holmes!

  • carsonreeves1

    For those bringing up Bright – Bright suffers from that quick Max Landis writing style. This is the kind of movie that needs an extensive mythology. It’s not something you can whip up quickly. It doesn’t feel like he did that work. The script reads fast, like most Landis stuff does. But those parts of the story that needed more depth and history are exposed on the screen.

    Interesting time for Rian Johnson and Max Landis, two big social media personalities. It can’t be easy weathering the storm of negative reactions on opening weekend when people have a direct line to you. Especially if you’ve (Last Jedi spoilers) killed Luke Skywalker!

    • Tal Gantz

      As a fan of the genre, I was crossing my fingers for Bright to succeed. And that’s a great point about taking the time to build an extensive mythology. In my experience, if you love your imaginary world with a passion, then building the mythology is not work, it’s FUN. In fact, it’s my favorite part of the process!

      • AstralAmerican

        Agreed. Except if you are anything like me and the ideas flood your brain faster than you can type or even process the vision and information — AND if time is your enemy.

      • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

        Me too. In editing super colossal it’s the mythology that I find myself working the most on. Got the story down. Now it’s just adding the WORLD that I “hope” will want to go deeper into and explore, which is one of the reasons that “Lord of the Rings” was so popular, both in book and movie: the people could see a vivid world that they, themselves wanted to go into and explore.

        I have ZERO interest in Max Landis’ “Bright” but it sounds like its suffering from being written too quickly, and not enough world-building being done and grafted in.

    • shewrites

      There was a lot a good in Bright, but it felt like too much was crammed (sloppily) into it. Bright IMO would have been better written as a series.

    • susanrichards

      Meh. Not a fan of Landis. But still, his work gets done, even if it seems a bit unfinished, unfleshed and unpolished.
      I suppose there is a spot in the world for every storyteller. Even me :)

  • RO

    Merry Christmas everyone!

    I’ve done all my family things today and now the evening is booked with research and work on my next script.

  • ThomasBrownen

    Merry Christmas, everyone! I’ve been avoiding readin the posts to avoid Star Wars spoilers, but I want to stop by and wish you all the best!

  • Cuesta

    Merry Christmas everyone!

  • Justin

    I certainly hope not. While most of the accusations against actors/celebrities are true, we have to assume that some are made up just so the accusers can get some media attention, money, or settle a grudge.

    While I’m not defending Max in any way, I’m waiting to see more evidence before judging him. I feel like everyone is starting to take these accusers’ statements as fact, instead of gathering evidence and prosecuting them that way. At this rate, some innocent man or woman’s career is going to get destroyed for no good reason.

    • PQOTD

      Every person’s entitled to the presumption of innocence. In the English-speaking world, that goes back to 1215 and the Magna Carta.

      Landis hasn’t done himself any favors with a couple of interviews he’s given where he comes off as a bit of a jerk. Being a jerk, however, isn’t illegal. If it was, most people would’ve been locked up at some point in their lives.

      I, for one, actually hope the accusations aren’t spurious, for the simple reason that the trolls will jump on them to portray all such accusations as suspect. (Seen it happen, even though the vast majority of such accusations have at least some merit. In an incestuous industry like Hollywood, I imagine the price for making an untrue accusation would be high.)

      • klmn

        Even the price of making true accusations can be high.

        So, which ones are true? (I don’t expect an answer).

        • PQOTD

          Warning: this is a very dark response for a Christmas post, so read at your peril.

          For instance, a sexual assault case in the Australian military fairly recently, which failed in court because the jury wasn’t entirely satisfied with ‘he said/she said’ when she was so intoxicated she was unconscious for most of the act. She’d felt so ashamed and embarrassed it had happened that she didn’t go straight to hospital to get a blood test for drugs like GHB in case her drink had been spiked. The ‘band of brothers’ thing came out in force to celebrate the bro’s vindication against such ‘lying c***s’. Now, if we’d had a court system like Scotland’s which allows a jury to find that the case is ‘Not proven’ rather than the black or white ‘Guilty’ or ‘Innocent’, they’d probably have chosen that rather than acquit a guy who was at the very least an opportunistic scumbag like Dumpster Frat Boy.

          As a second instance, we recently had a very long enquiry into child sexual abuse in institutions (churches, state orphanages, teenaged military cadets and apprentices, etc). Some of the men who testified about their time as cadets say they tried to report abuse and were punished for lying, which brought all the retributive hell the chain of command and their abusers could muster down on their heads to silence them. Often but not always abusers were more senior cadets, but some senior staff were involved, and other adults disgracefully turned a blind eye to the boys’ plight. The psychological toll on some was devastating: alcohol and/or drug abuse, they used violence their families, broken marriages, PTSD, and suicides. Others became perpetrators against more junior intakes. Shameful business, but we needed to have the reckoning. Some of those who testified had never spoken of what happened, 30, 40, even 50 years ago.

          • susanrichards

            ^^^This, is disgusting and heartbreaking. This matters tons more than what is happening in Hollywood…to me anyway.

          • PQOTD

            The thing is, Susan, it’s all part of the same phenomenon. It’s just a matter of degree. It comes back to the old adage that ‘Evil thrives when good men do nothing’. When those who could have – and should have – done something failed to act, the violence and abuse became normalized and systemic. It became just an accepted part of the culture.

            What has emerged from Hollywood, tv, finance and politics, etc, is likely to be just the tip of the iceberg. There will be people who were so ashamed by what had happened that they still haven’t spoken. Serial perpetrators are very good at finding out which buttons to push to silence their victims. Weinstein apparently hired private investigators to dig up dirt. Guilt’s a good one: you made me do this. You invited this. Fear’s another: the immigrant housemaids working in hotels illegally, for instance – they fear being deported, so they don’t rock the boat when it happens to them. There’ll be Hollywood kids who turned to drugs, or booze, or suicide because they felt guilty, or were ashamed, or they weren’t believed.

            For women, sexual assault is bad enough, but it’s something women sort-of half expect and we strategize to limit the chances of it happening, like always parking at night in well-lit places. Being sexually assaulted or raped, though, doesn’t make us question our femininity. It doesn’t make us less of a woman.

            For men, being sexually assaulted by another man or men brings up additional emotional challenges regarding their masculinity and sexuality. It’s disempowering, emasculating, which is in effect feminizing them. That’s why shame is so effective in silencing boys and men who’ve been raped, and why their silence allows perpetrators to operate unpunished, sometimes for decades.

            One of the big takeaways from Australia’s years-long investigation was simply this: believe children. Two-thirds of the witnesses who testified to our enquiry were men who’d just been boys when it happened to them. Some had never spoken of it before, but what happened was never their fault. The shame should never have been theirs to bear.

            There’s a large and growing body of legal and academic literature that deals with this subject. If it’s something that you’d like to inform your fiction writing, there’s a lot of documents, including thousands of witness statements and the 17 volumes of reports and case studies here – https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/

            I warn you – it makes for very harrowing reading though.

          • susanrichards

            Thanks for the reply, it was very fair and enlightening.

            I know what you are saying, all of it.

            Thing is, when Hollywoood gets involved…it sort of lessens the credibility.. glamorizes it (think Ben Affleck and Matt Lauer…America’s morning heartthrob). People think…”what did you expect was going to happen out there?”

            People..most people…resent anyone from Hollywood complaining about (I don’t mean to say rape is a compliant…its a crime) or reporting about anything is not warranted. People’s perception is…”so what? you’re beautiful and rich..get over it” whatever “it” is.

            Maybe people need a different perspective. “This can happen to anyone, and it isn’t right. It happened to me. And I’m a movie star. And it still sucks”

          • PQOTD

            Indeed. We can never make assumptions about why people remain silent. For some, the fear about what follows if they do speak up may be greater than the shame or guilt about what happened in the first place.

            For those who choose to shout from the rooftops about the injustice that happened to them, I applaud them. But I can’t condemn those who have reasons to suffer in silence.

    • JasonTremblay

      It’s exceedingly ignorant to think someone would make up being raped or sexually assaulted for “media attention.” Who wants to be forever known as having been raped? Only someone oblivious would think such claims would lead to a career or something, as if that’s some shortcut into the business.

      It’s particularly offensive to suggest saying you’ve been raped or sexually assaulted is something easy to do and implying there has to be an agenda.

      People are raped and sexually assaulted all the time. Anyone denying that or trying to minimize that are just apologists for rapists.

      • Justin

        Even more ignorant (and no offense, but downright stupid) to assume that some people aren’t complete scum who live solely for money and power.

        Who’d want to be forever known as someone having been raped? Someone who hasn’t been raped and are too stupid to comprehend just how horrific, depressing and humiliating of an experience it is. They have no idea what it’s like to go through that tragedy, which is exactly why they’d exploit real rape victims’ experiences to further their own life/career.

        For example, I read an article about a tweet this rape victim in the film industry tweeted. She said something along the lines of “this actor (or whoever he was) raped me multiple times.” I’m not saying this isn’t true, but this statement raises questions. So this person is saying that she was raped by this man, yet went back multiple times to get raped again? If she left it alone and went her own way, fine. If she kept quiet about it, absolutely. The rapist is a powerful figure in Hollywood so she felt intimidated by fear and assumed no one would take her seriously. Understandable. But to actually keep going back to the person — not once, but multiple times? That makes no sense. This isn’t like bullying in High School, where the victim has no choice but to see the bully every day. (Of course, I’m not a rape victim and don’t know the whole story, so I can’t say I understand this person’s mindset. I could be completely off basis here).

        Also, no one here is denying that people aren’t getting raped or sexually assaulted. No idea where you got that from.

        • JasonTremblay

          Your logic is the same that blames women who stay in abusive relationships for not leaving. There’s a lot of research as to why women stay, and, yes, even go back.

          • Justin

            I never spoke for any rape victims — I said we should assume that some accusations are false. That’s all I’m saying. It’s the rules of probability. Humans are liars and (a lot are) selfish by nature. What you’re doing is assuming that every person is a decent human being with no selfish agenda.

            And as for the woman I commented about — she wasn’t in a relationship. She was raped during talks for a job or during the job by pretty much a complete stranger. I can’t speak for her (and didn’t), only voiced my confusion on the matter — which I admitted I could be wrong about.

            I don’t know why you’re making my post a bigger deal than it is.

            Also, regarding your post to Marija, I don’t think anyone here is placing the blame on the women. Again, I said we should assume, then gave a possible example. Obviously the men who sexual harassed and raped the victims are 100% the scum here and should spend the rest of their life in jail or hung, but I’m trying to be reasonable.

            By refusing to acknowledge the fact that there’s a tiny sliver of possibility that even one or two of the hundreds of accusations made against these male (and female) celebrities/figures in Hollywood are false, you’re being narrow-minded and downright idiotic.

            Still don’t agree with me? Here’s an example: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/student-liam-allans-rape-charges-scrapped-after-40000-messages-from-accuser-revealed-in-court/news-story/4d2a6cdb2414427fab5dc69df62d4bc8

            A student accuses her teacher of rape, but her own text messages proved that she was the one asking the teacher for sex. She acted out because he refused to see her when she returned to the university. Costed him two years of his life, potentially his career, and he couldn’t see or talk to his own mother because he wanted to protect her from being called as a witness.

            Still think my assumption is BS? Some people are shitbags. Men and women. Deal with it.

          • MichaelWhatling

            Maybe someone somewhere has falsely accused someone, but the preponderance of the evidence lies with the fact that men ARE abusing women (and other men). The real question is: why are you focusing so much on the false accusations which you even admit are rare? That says more about you than anything else.

            It’s beyond “idiotic” (your word). It’s reprehensible.

          • susanrichards

            And you can’t expect that people want your help either. Been burned a few times trying to help people.
            People suck.
            Take care of yourself first and foremost.

      • Wes Mantooth

        “It’s exceedingly ignorant to think someone would make up being raped or sexually assaulted for “media attention.”

        Look no further than the infamous Duke lacrosse case. The so-called “victim” made up the entire story for the attention it brought her.

        • andyjaxfl

          The Duke lax is the fallback a lot of folks use to prove false rape accusations, but the reality is that only between 2 and 10% of rape accusations are false. The odds of being falsely identified in public even less than that, and the odds of being arrested and charged on a false rape charge are near nil.

          https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/

          • Citizen M

            This study found 41% of rape allegations were false:

            Abstract

            With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a 9 year period were studied. These false rape allegations constitute 41% the total forcible rape cases (n = 109) reported during this period. These false allegations appear to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, seeking revenge, and obtaining sympathy and attention. False rape allegations are not the consequence of a gender-linked aberration, as frequently claimed, but reflect impulsive and desperate efforts to cope with personal and social stress situations.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8135653

          • andyjaxfl

            The study is from 1994 and it’s a sample from one specific town.

          • Omoizele Okoawo

            Not only is the study from 1994, Indiana, the state the study took place in, has a four thousand + rape kit backlog with some kits being thirty years old. There is no other crime in this country where the police collect the evidence and then toss it on a dusty shelf somewhere and don’t test it.
            http://www.endthebacklog.org/indiana
            I also read an article talking about how most health insurances don’t pay for the hospital visit to collect the test. If the guy goes to jail some states cover it, otherwise the woman could end up paying upwards of five hundred dollars if she has insurance and up to seven thousand dollars if she has no insurance.
            https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN17M2KU

          • andyjaxfl

            I didn’t know that about insurance coverage and it speaks volumes about the health insurance for profit industry.

          • PQOTD

            OMG – that’s disgraceful!

        • JasonTremblay

          It’s ridiculous to claim the victim “made up the entire story.” To this day she says it happened. The events and evidence are far more complicated and inconclusive than your dismissive remark.

    • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

      Amen.

      #commonsense, #thebenefitofthedoubt

    • Pugsley

      Why are most of the accusations against actors and celebrities true? Have they all been proven in a court of law? Or just the court of public opinion? I don’t doubt that a lotta shit goes down, especially amongst those who believe they are untouchable. But let’s not lose sight of due process in this current witch hunt climate.

      • PQOTD

        I completely agree with your due process observation, but consider this:
        The reputable media organizations (i.e. The New York Times and The New Yorker) have done extensive background checking and corroborating of victims’ stories before publishing accusations, otherwise they’re potentially defamatory. Truth is really the ultimate defense against defamation, and seeing as a lot of those accused have very deep pockets, the media orgs with integrity wouldn’t be sticking their necks out if they weren’t really, really sure the accusation(s) holds up. If the victim never mentioned it to a soul – not a single family member, or partner, or co-worker, or a friend, not a complaint to the Police – unless other victims or witnesses came forward, the accusation wouldn’t get published. The stories they published had been told frequently by the victims to friends and family, who corroborated the story. They journalists also went through the victims’ stories several times with them – if the story changes in the re-telling (i.e. embellishment), that’s a sign there’s a problem, and they’re very alert to that.
        With statutes of limitations the way they are, some of these complaints could never go to court now.

        • Marija ZombiGirl

          Completely agree that this kind of behavior should not ever be allowed to exist in any way, form or shape.

          BUT. If a woman or a man gets raped, for real, WHY wait years and years to finally post about it on f***** Twitter? When that happens, you go straight to the hospital for a rape kit and then to the police NO MATTER who the perp is. I’m aware that lots of accusations are true but what I can’t stand is the #MeToo thing. Seriously. A f**** hashtag to ride the latest fad wave?? That’s an insult to victims right there. I’m a rape victim myself (ex boyfriend so it didn’t count, y’know?). I’m also a victim of open sexual misconduct by certain people in the French movie industry. Did I report it to the police? No. Did I stand up for myself and give those guys shit? Absolutely. Did it cost me a well paid writing job? You bet. And very probably a real foot in the door. Do I regret? Never ever. Still, having been a victim of all that, I will always stand by the fact that yes, there’s a huge difference between having your butt grabbed and getting raped. It’s completely ridiculous to put them on the same level. I am not excusing bad behavior, obviously – I just don’t feel that it’s right to accuse everyone and their dog and risking to ruin their career over what is ultimately just bad judgment/shitty behavior induced by the arrogance of “being someone important”. As for newspapers running stories that have been corroborated as bulletproof fact, well, I don’t believe in that either. Some people are capable of putting their own children through countless and completely unnecessary life changing surgeries in order to get attention. As for potential rape by a celebrity? Oh hell yeah, count me in!

          This is a time to be exceedingly careful about everything ‘cos too many people out there will believe the first bad thing they hear about someone just because they hate their haircut.

          • PQOTD

            At least one woman (she was Italian iirc) who Harvey Weinstein tried it on with did go to Police, and they got her to wear a wire to meet him again. He pretty much admitted what had happened, but the New York prosecutor didn’t want to go after him. The papers corroborated all of that with the cops before they went after him.
            I expect she – and others – spoke to the media because other avenues for redress had been closed to them.

          • Pugsley

            Harvey Weinstein needs to be in prison, asap. And, yes, he was caught on tape pretty much confessing to sexual misconduct with this actress, but the scumbag DA decided not to prosecute. Coincidentally, Weinstein’s lawyer at the time had donated a huge sum of moolah to said DA’s reelection campaign. He was reelected and he’s still DA in NY. When you have proof like this, the suspect should be indicted. It’s when a man, or woman, is tried in the Court of Public Opinion that things get dicey.

          • andyjaxfl

            This is the first time I’ve read that Weinstein’s people donated money to the DA’s campaign. That churns my stomach…

          • andyjaxfl

            MZG, here’s a link to an article that somewhat covers why some people choose not to go to the police. Many don’t come forward because they believe the police won’t do anything. Historically, they are correct as many police officers tend to marginalize any rape report, even with a rape kit.

            A good example is the Jameis Winston case. He was accused of raping a female classmate. She reported the rape at 3 AM, went to the hospital, had her parents drive six hours from Tampa, FL to Tallahassee, FL in the middle of the night, confessed to underage drinking, but she didn’t know her assailant’s name and the police did nothing. When she finally identified him months later, they discouraged her from taking any additional action because he was the quarterback of their stupid little college football team.

            https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/

          • Pugsley

            Good for you, MZG, for standing up for yourself! And thank for stating the crux of the problem: Crying rape over some scumbag (and, yes, they are scumbags) who makes a forced pass at you completely belittles and mocks the crime of actual forcible rape, which should be prosecuted to its fullest.

          • JasonTremblay

            I really have to push back against the “why did she wait before telling” judgement. Women wait for many reasons, including fear and shame. Not everyone is you, and holding all women to the standard of what you would do is unfair. Brava for your strength. Please know not everyone is as strong.

            I know someone who was assaulted by Weinstein. She didn’t tell anyone because she knew he could ruin her career, and for her at that time, her self-esteem and self-image were tied to her career. But even more than that, she didn’t want her parents to have to hear about it.

            It’s disgusting that all the arguments about this issue revolve around the women, casting doubt on their claims, ascribing motivations, etc.

            We should be asking why these men think they can do this and why they do it to begin with.

          • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

            Restitution. I think the guilty should try to make restitution to those who suffered.

          • Justin

            Sure. Every penny they’ve made should go to causes supporting rape/abuse victims, and they should spend the rest of their lives in some pit in an unknown country where no one gives two shits about them.

            …Or we could just castrate them and toss ‘em in some hole.

          • susanrichards

            “holding all women to the standard of what you would do is unfair.”

            disagree completely.
            1. women need to stand together.
            2. women need to hold that standard

            but, it will never happen. we could totally rule the world if we did.
            but some of us are too busy taking selfies and competing for male attention.
            and then crying when they get it.

      • JasonTremblay

        Most are true given most of the perpetrators have admitted guilt and/or paid out settlements. But even if they all admitted they did it, some would still find a way to blame the victims.

    • susanrichards

      I have such mixed feelings about all of this. Part of me thinks people are jumping on the accusation bandwagon just to be apart of the news, part of me is disgusted by this kind of unchecked male behavior,part of me thinks it’s the same women who use their sexuality to get by who are doing the accusing, and part of me thinks if I was one of those women, the man in question wouldn’t get away with it without losing an eye.. so why are there not more single eyed men in Hollywood? I am not shocked at what is going on, by now isn’t it cliche to be a sexually assaulting male producer?
      How did we get all the way to 2017 without this being exposed? How can it be that pigs are allowed to be pigs? I mean, why have we let them be that?
      NO ONE should assault or be abusive. Women do it too, although differently. Power corrupts, no matter what brand of sexuality graces you. Men in power look for sex to validate themselves, women are a little more subtle and just destroy other women to validate who they think they are.
      Anyway, while the current man in question, Landis, is innocent until proven guilty…the truth is I’m not surprised as he presents as an arrogant ass. And I don’t tweet or follow much of what’s going on….I’m sure others feel similarly.
      I don’t feel like you do, regarding judging him. I don’t really care that much to put the energy in.
      Good people do bad things, bad people do good things. The challenge is to know the difference.

    • Eric

      I’d just like to point out that the standard of evidence required to put someone in jail is different than the standard of evidence required to make your own personal judgment call. Based on what I’ve heard so far, I wouldn’t feel comfortable giving Max a punishment through the jury system. But based on what I’ve heard so far, I also wouldn’t feel comfortable giving Max a job that required him to work closely and professionally with women.

      Once the dust is cleared, most of these accused men aren’t going to jail. As I predicted a year ago, even the Cosby trial isn’t a slam dunk case despite Cosby’s name being irredeemably tarnished in the court of public opinion. Most of these harassers and abusers are simply out of good paying work for the rest of their lives. That’ll have to be good enough for those of us who want “justice”, and it’s far better than they deserve. The people who they abused largely never had a chance. Louie C.K. effectively destroyed people’s dreams because he couldn’t control himself.

      There’s a lot of talented women the world is currently missing out on because men won’t respect them enough to treat them as equals rather than as sex objects.

      • Justin

        I’m in agreement with everything you said. Terrible that big name people aren’t going to jail. Thanks for bringing it up — important and needs to be said.

  • carsonreeves1

    Oops, upvoted this assuming you were talking about Bright being bad!

  • Erica

    Merry Christmas all!

    Somehow I missed this new update and posted to the older one, oh well.

    Another successful Christmas in the books. This face says all that needs to be said. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a3f2ec9fb0d823fa38ef130a839b3850529d36ea738d67744209d085daac22c.jpg

    • Malibo Jackk

      Everyone needs a chew toy for Christmas.

      • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

        Maybe you just need the right chew toy. Who would you like to chew on?

  • Citizen M

    Merry Boxing Day, everyone! (Carson’s post appeared after my bedtime on Xmas.)

  • PQOTD
    • PQOTD

      I have days like this.

    • -n8-

      Brilliant

    • Citizen M

      #MeToo

    • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

      Very funny.

  • Scott Crawford

    Happy Boxing Day! I’m not sure if that means anything to anyone outsid U.K. Maybe Erica and Priscilla….

    … it’s the day after Christmas when servants were given presents (in boxes) by their masters. Or something. We have some strange names for things. We call our national holidays “bank holidays” because it was the day when people who worked in banks got the day off. Or something.

    Anywise, as I scramble for a theme for my ramble… Boxing Day, to me, always seems a more ADULT holiday (though I’m working today) with an emphasis on sport and shopping, and on TV more grown up movies, like this afternoon’s classic The Eagle Has Landed.

    Robert Duvall is the German officer who sends Michael Caine and his men to England to kidnap Winston Churchill.

    Based on the book by Jack Higgins (Harry Patterson), screenplay was by Tom Mankiewicz, who regarded it is as one of his best scripts. But, Mank, claimed the director – John Sturges – seemed less engaged by the project. Mank claims the movie was saved in the editing room. That checks out… their are THREE different versions of the movie out there: The normal version; a version edited for violence AND pace; and an unnecessarily long version with too many scenes in the build up.

    Why do we need to see Hitler TELLING Anthony Quayle he wants Churchill kidnapped when Quayle THEN tells Duvall the same thing?

    Speaking of the editing room…

    DOWNSIZING.

    THUD!!!

    Though I didn’t bother to say at the time, I was less than impressed with what I saw in the trailer. To me it looked liked a clever setup… but NO story. And so it seems to have panned out, with claims that they were still trying to “find” the movie in the editing room (there may have been tone issues too, I don’t know).

    The editing room can turn an okay movie into a classic (and vice versa) but I wouldn’t want to wait til I get THERE to decide what movie I’m making.

    Scott out.

    • JasonTremblay

      We have Boxing Day in Canada, too. It’s big. Some people here refer to Christmas Day as Boxing Day Eve.

      • Erica

        Over time it’s just become a shopping day really, which is sad considering all the shopping before Christmas, all the gifts you get. Then you have to go out and get more stuff.

        • PQOTD

          I refuse to do that. I’m developing an intellectual allergy to excessive consumerism. There’s so much stuff I really have no need for.

      • PQOTD

        Ha ha ha, Jason! All the big retailers should adopt that here in ‘Straya as the Boxing Day sales have people camping out overnight.

    • susanrichards

      Happy boxing day.! I’ve been watching Dr Who marathon on BBC America.
      Gotta love the brits ;)

      • Scott Crawford

        This year’s Doctor Who Christmas Special was… a bit strange, really. No spoilers but it had to pull double duty. Normally the Christmas Specials are funny and lighthearted (featuring Santa Claus or superheroes) but this one had to show the end of one doctor and the start of the new one. Tough.

    • PQOTD

      Boxing Day is VERY important in ‘Straya for 2 reasons:

      The Sydney to Hobart yacht race begins, and the start of the 4th cricket test in Melbourne – and if all goes to plan over the next few days, Australia will be up 4-0 against England.

  • RS

    With my kids, I saw one of the most hotly anticipated movies of the year, and here is what I think of……………………………..

    ……………….JUMANJI. All the Jedi shows were sold out, and my older son said 2.5 hours is too long. He’d rather watch it on Netflix. Anyway, Jumanji was fun. One huge logic problem but other than that, kids and adults will probably both like it. Compares favorably to the original. Too many damn previews, however. I’m really beginning to hate this. The movie is 2 hours and you get there at 4:15 for the beginning, but the movie might not actually start until 4:30 or later. Cannot stand that!!!!

  • Randy Williams

    Merry Christmas to Carson and Scriptshadow family across the worldwide web!

    Today, I’m working on my personal list of “Best of 2017 Amateur Offerings Weekend”
    It was a scant year, much of the weekends taken up by the Scriptshadow Tournament
    or articles on the milk carton worthy, “Short Contest”. But, there were some ones
    that really stood out for me. I’ll post the next time Carson has a regular article.

  • BMCHB

    I’ve been watching Porg Porn all day!

    I think I just had a Porgasm!

    Happy Christmas, BITCHES!

  • cass

    Did anyone notice a Men In Black reference in Bright? At least I think it’s a reference, but I’ve not heard anyone else mention it. I won’t say what it is, but if anyone else noticed it, speak up.

  • Midnight Luck

    I do believe I called it a couple days ago:
    “It’s not just the movie’s 69 percent 2nd weekend plunge that underscores its troubles.”

    I predicted a 60% decline second week out. Instead it’s a 69%!
    Wow. (The force getting Jumanji’d)

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/25/the-last-jedis-gargantuan-151m-2nd-weekend-plunge-is-an-epic-and-hollywood-choke/#80f48a918d86

    • AstralAmerican

      I’ll spare how I really feel about the film, but the drop off doesn’t come as a surprise. I’ve read/watched better explanations on why the film is a failure versus why it is a good film. And a Star Wars film w/out a major lightsaber battle is like a horror movie w/ out a monster or evil of some kind (aka IT COMES AT NIGHT).

    • 1st10

      Comparing the first eleven days of Return v Last are crazy (starts at 1:46).
      [I know some people find Grace kinda annoying but she doesn’t bother me]

      Box Office for The Last Jedi 2nd Weekend Drop

      • 1st10

        Whoops, obviously I’m not a Star Wars person. Should’ve been Force v Last.

    • Avatar

      Just FYI–the article you quote is from Forbes– a right wing publication. Forbes is right leaning, so is Steve Forbes the head of the magazine–you may have noticed that they’ve come out with a string of anti-Disney articles. Also, an alt right group clams that they review bombed the rottentomatoes audience reviews because it features a female lead and diverse cast.

      • PQOTD

        #dirtyrottenscoundrels

  • 1st10

    Another good article. Talks about how the line between writing for Features and TV is quickly disappearing. Great example, Scott Frank (Logan, Out of Sight, and a lot more) tried to get Godless made as a feature for years but no one wanted a Western. Instead, Netflix gave him 6+ hours to tell his story (I just finished ep 3, so far it’s really good).

    I’m hoping Carson will read this article and give us TV pilot writers more chances on AOW. Writers in the industry are jumping back and forth between Feature/TV and TV/Feature all the time now. Scriptshadow should get ahead of the curve.

    What Hollywood Screenwriters Are Learning From Peak TV
    http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/what-hollywood-screenwriters-are-learning-from-peak-tv.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Vulture%20-%20October%203%2C%202017&utm_term=Subscription%20List%20-%20Vulture%20%281%20Year%29

    • 1st10

      My bad. I was referencing the article for 6+ hours, six-episode mini-series. In reality they gave him 7 episodes for 7.5 hours. Even better.

    • klmn

      I’d like to see more emphasis placed on TV pilots too. There’s even an upside for Carson – being shorter than features, it won’t cost him so much time.

      • 1st10

        Amen, brother. Amen.

        “it won’t cost him so much time,” and the readers too. It’d be like having half the homework.

  • Poe_Serling

    BRIGHT

    I just checked it out last night with three other people.

    Two of the them from the watching party gave it a thumbs up. They
    liked the gritty street action in the cityscape of elves, magic wands,
    and other make-believe whatnot.

    The third viewer found it too noisy and violent for their taste. Plus,
    the overall story line didn’t make much sense to them.

    My take on the project…

    It landed more in the middle ground area. Pretty much your standard
    buddy cop with a big helping of fantastical elements to make it at least
    a bit different.

    In many ways it gave me a Big Trouble in Little China vibe. Namely:

    1) the urban setting with a dark underbelly of supernatural activity.
    2) the bad guys trying to conjure up an even bigger baddie of some
    sort.
    3) the heroes (Ward and Nick) much like Jack Burton/Wang moving
    through the wild and woolly action by the seat of their pants.
    4) the three main henchmen with Matrix-like jumping and flipping
    abilities giving the protags trouble the entire time.
    5) so on.

    Of course, Big Trouble had a more tongue in cheek tone.

    For me, the biggest head-scratching moment from Bright:

    The couple of quite lengthy scenes with the guy who looked like
    the caveman from all those TV insurance commercials …

    He was swinging around a sword in the middle of an intersection,
    arrested, and interrogated by federal agents.

    And all the emphasis on him and the sword?

    Never came back into play before the final credits.

    • andyjaxfl

      Good comparison with BIG TROUBLE. I enjoyed the movie and I agree with your middle ground assessment. Granted film is completely subjective, but I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the hyperbole declaring this the worst movie of the year. What can ya do, though? The fact that others seem to strongly dislike it doesn’t impact my own lukewarm feelings toward it.

      Agreed on the sword emphasis. Seems like a missed opportunity!

      • Poe_Serling

        “The fact that others seem to strongly dislike it doesn’t impact my own lukewarm feelings toward it.”

        So true.

        As I’ve said more than once around here… one viewer’s lump of coal
        will always be someone else’s cinematic gem.

        It will always be part of the package of the movie-watching experience.

        Personally, I’ve never felt the need to defend why I enjoy a particular
        film.

        I like what like. End of story.

        ;-)

  • RBradley

    I glanced at about ten or twenty pages. The Pulitzer Prize winner seemed a whiney bitch and not so smart…this was terrible, I’d say. Worth finishing? Doesn’t sound like it.

    Brings up the question: can you write characters that are much smarter than you?

  • andyjaxfl

    Has anyone in the SS community seen the ALATRISTE movie starring Viggo Mortensen? If so, I’d love to hear your thoughts because I’m trying to track down a region free blu ray or DVD. It came out in 2006 and was a modest hit in Europe, but has never received a release in the US. From what I’ve read, it appears a legal release in any capacity is unlikely as the production company wants to make a bigger budget film series using the five books.

    I’d love to see a film series covering the character (it’s a solid second place from my dream series of Aubrey-Maturin).

  • Scott Crawford

    Instead of watching BRIGHT, I watched another Netflix original last night… THE TOYS THAT MADE US, an eight-part doc on famous toy brands starting with STAR WARS!!!

    No spoilers but it’s an interesting show. No one from George Lucas’ side (or Lucas himself) wanted to be interviewed so they can be as mean as they wanted about some of the films. Some interesting stuff about how the most successful toys PRIOR to Star Wars came from TV not film, and why that was.

    Next episode… BARBIE!!!

    Still gonna watch it.

    https://static.seibertron.com/images/misc/uploads/1514012178-25550343-381212582338127-3054875385003694171-n.jpg

    • Scott Crawford

      Skipped ahead and watched the HE-MAN episode… hilarious! Also, should point out, contains swears so probably not great for watching with your children.

      • JasonTremblay

        Violence is okay, but swears are not? How American. LOL

  • PQOTD

    With Carrie Fisher’s untimely death, I can’t understand why Johnson didn’t re-shoot the ending of VIII to keep Luke around for IX.

    Johnson could’ve written IX so that Leia’s passing jolts Luke back into reaching out to Rey to come and get him.

    • AstralAmerican

      Brilliant, and I mean that! The perfect motivator for Luke’s return with a vengeance and/or turning him to the Darkside. There’s your twist.

      • PQOTD

        Now whomever takes the reins for IX is left with a plot hole to fill to explain Leia not being around either.

        Star Wars started with Luke. It should’ve ended with him, or at least him properly passing the torch.

        • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

          If NOTHING else the last installment showed the new guys with ball know what to do with the ball, AND they don’t pander to the crowd, which really surprises me, because this is now a Disney franchise.

          • PQOTD

            It’s when the “new guys with ball” privilege “ball” over brains that things go horribly awry. It’s sad for Star Wars fans that TLJ didn’t live up to expectations.

          • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

            It’s Christmas time! Try to find the joy in life. Imo, this Star Wars movie was the best ever. You now had a complex villain to root for, Kylo Ren. Can’t wait to see what they do next.

          • Avatar

            I think it’s closer to the spirit of Star Wars. The Force Awakens didn’t deal with light v dark…..just paid lip service and was so afraid audiences would get bored that JJ Abrams just had them running around.

          • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

            What’s in the past is in the past. Why do you dwell on it so? We got a pro at the helm. His name is Rian Johnson, and he’s kickin’ ass.

          • Avatar

            I really don’t think Rian Johnson rips the past as some accuse him of. In fact, it feels like he actually took it seriously and pondered the subject rather than make a Disney let’s market plush toys and have a big opening filmmaking approach. The audience I saw it with clapped.

          • Avatar

            They did a fine job this time around. I am more concerned that JJ Abrams will return it back to this super safe afraid to offend anyone filmmaking.

          • PQOTD

            I love Monty Python because – as they put it – there’s something to offend everyone.

          • Avatar

            Yeah, I appreciate daring artists. That’s why a lot of those films in 70s were so great. Frank Capra, with It’s a wonderful life, was ahead of it’s time.

          • Erica

            First they had the Safe fun one (JJ). Then came the not so safe, flip it on it’s head one, (Rian). Next up they need the Dark one (Tarantino). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b29bbb2d4ff4fdad0b6c342724320804994ff39eddf30dcf084680e57db9a42e.jpg

          • Avatar

            I didn’t find the Last Jedi to be that much of a flip it around turn on its head as some people mentioned. It seemed more in spirit with the original trilogy where the protagonists deal with light v dark. I was more offended that JJ Abrams took every single George Lucas idea and then just reversed the gender (it was so safe that it was a movie with a safety wheel). I am kind of curious what a Tarantino one would look like, but I suspect he wouldn’t be a good fit for this type of film. My dream one would be James Cameron (teamed up with some A list writers).

          • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

            Best. Idea. Ever!! Quentin targeted the wrong franchise. How cool would it be to have Quentin’s sensitivities set to the Star Wars franchise. I think it would be wayyy more interesting to see his Tarantino’s take on Star Wars, rather than Star Trek.

            Good one, Erica!

          • Avatar

            I think Quentin is better off dealing with one of the Star Wars spin offs. Maybe give him the Boba fett movie or Star Wars movie dealing with some of the characters of filth and villainy Obi Wan was referencing.

          • http://insideechenrysbrain.typepad.com/inside_the_brain_of_ec_he/ E.C. Henry

            All great ideas. I see you people who’s name starts with a vowel have a leg up on the rest of us. ;)

          • Avatar

            James Cameron is my number 1 pick for this franchise. He would push the visuals to new heights and really go crazy with the 3D. I saw the re-release of Titanic recently and it was still as amazing as the first time I saw it.

        • Avatar

          Luke might just be like Obi Wan or Yoda….. you’re never dead in the Star Wars universe. They’d make an excuse like his force is still there.

          • Scott Crawford

            Mark Hamill pretty much said he’s going to be in IX on Twitter the other day. Talk about can’t keep a secret!

          • Avatar

            Probably to reassure fans. You know how touchy Star Wars fans are. I don’t see any Transformer fans quibbling with any points in the plot.

          • Scott Crawford

            Very true. I think I have heard SOME complaints, for example Megatron running away in the second film, but I guess I don’t follow the movies that closely.

          • Avatar

            I couldn’t tell a single plot point….they all seem to bleed into one another. Other than the completely irrelevant scene of Shia LeBouf running around in some slapstick scene that has nothing to do the plot or Michael Bay lingering on Megan Fox washing a car for no reason… I was a big fan of the Transformers cartoon and toys…but the movies have no sentimental value for me.

          • AstralAmerican

            I 100% echo this entire sentiment and then some…!

  • PQOTD

    Take The Imitation Game and you’ve proven your point in the affirmative: someone can write about people smarter than him or herself.

    Alan Turing was a genius among genii – professor of mathematics at Cambridge at 23. He had a brain the size of a small planet, and one of the best minds of the 20th century. Absolutely criminal waste, how he was treated and that he took his own life. Yet not a lot of pure cryptography appears in that movie. There are lots of little flashes of insight into his genius, like that ‘Heil Hitler’ will appear in most – if not all – Nazi encryptions. That predictable repitition and spacing of letters – h, e, i and l – gave his team a foot in the door to break the codes. Finding those then gives you the t and the r, and from then on, it’s a process of elimination to discard what other letters can’t be.

  • AstralAmerican

    Yes, please!

  • RBradley

    Nobody wants to watch a movie explaining math and so they were smart to focus away from that in general terms. It was a movie about relationships. And Damon’s character did well with the intelligence he displayed, particularly in the bar scene.
    There seemed to be no real intelligence behind the writer character in the Great Nothing. He seemed to be tackling his problems with an average, whiney approach. His speech and behavior suggested to me that the script writer was not in control of his material to the standard required.
    Of course, it can be done. I’m trying to do it myself. Everyone in my script is far smarter and more accomplished than I am. I may have to fall on my sword.