The controversy over this film is at Mach 5. But Scriptshadow doesn’t care about any of that nonsense. I just want to know if it’s a good screenplay!

Genre: War/Action/Drama
Premise: A CIA agent who experiences countless failures in her search to find Bin Laden, finally becomes convinced she knows where he is. With her superiors doubtful, she must put everything on the line to finally take down the most wanted man in the world.
About: This Oscar-contender has been catching some flak lately as, according to the CIA, it doesn’t accurately depict how they found Bin Laden (something about how the CIA doesn’t use torture). The film is written and directed by the same team that made the Oscar best-picture winner The Hurt Locker, Kathryn Bigelow and Mark Boal.
Writer: Mark Boal
Note: I watched this as a film but am critiquing its screenwriting elements.

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If I’m being completely honest (and why wouldn’t I be), I kind of wanted to hate this movie. Let me tell you why, as I feel quite justified in my pre-hatred. Zero Dark 30 is one of those movies that tells you it’s an Oscar winner before you’ve even seen it. And I don’t like when marketers tell me what to think of a movie. I like to decide things for myself. But hey, that’s the name of the game, right? If you don’t have a big hook or a big actor, something to market your movie around, the only way to make money is to convince everyone your movie is award-worthy. So I get that. But what bothered me was that Zero Dark 30 started promoting itself as an Oscar winner before they even shot the thing! Aren’t we getting a bit presumptuous here? Is this what Oscar jockeying has become? We’re now promoting our movies as Oscar-winners before anyone turns on the camera? Ick. I’m not a fan.

The opening scene didn’t do much to quell my animosity. We watch on uncomfortably as CIA agents torture a Middle Eastern man via water-boarding. Ugh, they’re now stooping to this level? Throwing in a controversial topical torture technique that dominated the press for a year? They might as well have shot the scene on the Oscar stage. By the way, I have to get this off my chest. I’m sure experiencing water-boarding is really terrible. But it sure doesn’t LOOK terrible. You’re basically pouring water on a guy’s face. I can think of 10,000 torture techniques that look a hell of a lot worse than that, so whenever I see someone water-boarded in a film, it doesn’t have any effect on me.

Whoa whoa whoa. What’s with the grump stump Carsonigin? It’s Christmas Eve! You’re supposed to be jolly n stuff! You’re supposed to be caroling or baking cookies for Santa that somehow disappear before they’re ever put over the chimney.

Okay, fair enough. The truth is, Zero Dark 30 is a good movie. In fact, it WILL probably win the Oscar. Mostly because it’s one of those movies people feel like they’re supposed to vote for. But also because it has the best third act of any film this year. And as I like to say, if you give them a great ending, it can make up for a lot of problems earlier in the screenplay. And there were some problems here. Let’s explore what they are after the synopsis.

Zero Dark 30’s main character is a young innocent-looking fair-skinned CIA agent named Maya. Maya’s recently been assigned to the Middle East to help interrogate those who had ties to 9/11. She gets a wake-up call when she realizes these men are being tortured for their information. But instead of cowering in the corner like a little girl, she puts her big girls’ shoes on and tells the terrorists they better get with the program and start spitting out names because that’s the only way they’re getting their lives back. Yes, Maya is a hardass.

Maya’s research eventually leads her to a courier who she believes might have ties to Bin Laden. Unfortunately, nailing down this courier is next to impossible. He never uses the same routes twice. His cell phone use is erratic at best. And no matter how hard the U.S. tries, they can’t seem to figure out the naming system here in the Middle East. Whenever they think they’ve got someone, it turns out to be someone else.

Years pass and Maya’s superiors encourage her to focus on other potential terrorist attacks, but she can’t get her mind off that damn courier, the one she’s sure has something to do with Bin Laden. So she does some more digging and eventually finds the REAL courier, the one she thought she had all along but who, it turns out, was someone else. She traces this man back to a compound in Pakistan. She tells her bosses about her theory, but the compound is so well-designed, it’s impossible to know who, for sure, is in there. To Maya, it’s obvious, but you have to understand, the CIA gets hundreds of these tips a day. Who’s to say it isn’t a drug dealer living there? There’s just no way to know.

But Maya won’t stop. She demands her superiors keep looking. And tells them to have THEIR superiors keep looking. And after what seems like forever, even though there’s only a 50% chance that Bin Laden is actually living here, they get the call from upstairs that the president has okay’d a raid. Maya must now leave the final piece of the puzzle up to Seal Team 6, who are less than thrilled to be going on yet another [sure to be] bogus chupacabra hunt. What they don’t realize is that this is the real deal. This is the moment that will make them famous.

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I was discussing this movie with a friend and I was going on one of my typical rants about how there “wasn’t enough urgency in the movie.” And I had a good point (if I don’t say so myself). I mean we start the story 10 years before the killing of Bin Laden and there are just all these scenes through the years of people talking in rooms about finding terrorists who might lead them to other terrorists who might lead them to someone who knows someone who might know Bin Laden.

While I’m sure if you broke these down scene by scene, you’d be able to make a case that they were all PUSHING THE STORY FORWARD (remember – every scene in your script must push the story forward!) but I couldn’t help but feel like we could’ve consolidated and streamlined the hunt more. For example, there was a cool scene near the middle of the movie where Maya and her co-worker are chatting about boys at an Afghan Hotel when a bomb BLOWS UP. Fun scene. But afterwards all I could think was, “Ummm, was that scene really necessary?”

But here’s what my friend said. She said, “True, but starting with this girl 10 years before she finds Bin Laden makes us care a lot more about her and her goal when she finally gets close to finding him.” And she was right. As we watch Maya go year after year chasing red herrings and losing friends and being blocked by red tape, we become heavily invested in her journey in a way that wouldn’t have been possible had we started the story 2 weeks before the raid.

In this case, urgency would’ve actually worked AGAINST our story. And that got me thinking. As you all know, I’m obsessed with GSU – that stories work best when they have a GOAL, high STAKES, and URGENCY. However, if you were only able to use two of these and one had to go, I’ve realized that urgency is the easiest one to drop. That’s because if the goal is REALLY BIG and the stakes are REALLY HIGH, the audience will want to stick around whether there’s a time limit on the characters’ actions or not.

And what do you know? Zero Dark 30 fits the bill perfectly. The goal is about as big as you can get! Find and kill Bin Laden! And the stakes are immense as well! If you don’t, he keeps sending out orders and more and more people get killed. Add the personal stakes are high as well (Maya dedicating a decade of her life to this hunt). It’s no wonder we’re willing to stumble through ten years to finally get to this ending.

Another thing I found interesting was that this is being marketed as this super serious big important movie. Yet they use one of the oldest tricks in the book to get you onboard – the underdog. Audiences LOVE underdogs. They will follow underdogs anywhere because who doesn’t want to see the little guy who nobody gave a shot to score the big touchdown in the end? Maya is the ultimate underdog. She’s a woman in a male-driven business. Nobody gives her a chance. Nobody believes her. So at its heart, this is really about a character overcoming adversity and disbelief to win in the end. That’s a universal story that anybody will love.

My biggest problem with Zero Dark 30, however, was that there were sooooo many scenes with guys in rooms talking. Granted there was usually a lot of tension and conflict in those scenes, I suspect these scenes are what made the slow parts of this screenplay feel so slow. And while Maya’s underdog status made her easy to root for, there was something cold about her character. I’m not sure if that was Jesscia C’s performance or if that’s how it was written but I suspect it was how it was written because there’s very little if any background into who Maya is outside of the agency – what brought her here, why she’s so obsessed with capturing Bin Laden. I mean I knew more about Claire Danes’ character after 20 minutes of the Homeland pilot than I did about Maya in this entire movie. The only reason you should have a 2 and a half hour movie is if you’re doing some major character exploration, and strangely enough, only the minimum was done here.

But despite its flaws, it all came together in the end. So much had been built up before going into this raid, (not to mention our own REAL-LIFE feelings about Bin Laden), that the compound sequence was gripping. I particularly loved how messy it was. I guess I thought that the SEAL team just barged in there, ran upstairs, and shot Bin Laden. But there was so much more uncertainty here, with a lot of unknown variables chiming in: The downed helicopter. Compound doors not opening. Hundreds of neighbors moving in. The threat of the Pakistanis finding out and sending their military over. You really felt that if they didn’t find Bin Laden right away, they’d have to leave and squander the best opportunity they’d ever have at getting him.

I’ll probably never watch Zero Dark 30 again. It’s not a movie you can pop in on a Sunday afternoon and just enjoy. It’s deep, it’s dark, it’s intense, and it’s serious. You feel at times like you’re obligated to watch it as opposed to volunteering your time to watch it. But that ending. Oh that ending. It makes all the warts go away. And it’ll probably win the film an Oscar.

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What I learned: At some point in your story, there needs to be urgency. I know I just said urgency isn’t as important as goals or stakes, and that may be true. But you cannot go an entire screenplay without eventually adding urgency to the mix. In Zero Dark 30, this happens as soon as Maya positively identifies Bin Laden’s compound. Every day they don’t act is a day he could possibly move. And we feel that tension (as a good ticking time bomb will do) as days turn into weeks turn into months. We’re sitting there going, “Jesus! You’re losing what may be your only shot!” So avoid urgency if you dare (I still think you should incorporate it if possible), but if you don’t use it to frame your story, you’ll almost certainly need it for the final third of your script.

  • blumi

    “Zero Dark 30’s main character is a young innocent-looking fair-skinned
    CIA agent named Maya. Maya’s recently been assigned to the Middle East
    to help interrogate those who had ties to 9/11. She gets a wake-up call
    when she realizes these men are being tortured for their information.
    But instead of cowering in the corner like a little girl, she puts her
    big girls’ shoes on and tells the terrorists they better get with the
    program and start spitting out names because that’s the only way they’re
    getting their lives back. Yes, Maya is a hardass.”

    …what? What movie did you watch, which script did you read? That did not happen. Dan is torturing the guy, the guy pleads for Maya to help him, and Maya says “You can help yourself by being truthful”. Then Dan parades the guy around on a leash and sticks him in a box. Later, Maya cleverly realizes that the guy doesn’t know what he hasn’t told them, and it’s her trickery, not Dan’s “enhanced interrogation”, and certainly not her being a hardass, that jars the first sliver of the trail of clues loose.

    Maya is not a hardass. She is all brains, no brawn. She is a morally neutral force in the universe of a film that is almost entirely observational.

    “And while Maya’s underdog status made her easy to root for, there was
    something cold about her character. I’m not sure if that was Jesscia C’s
    performance or if that’s how it was written but I suspect it was how it
    was written because there’s very little if any background into who Maya
    is outside of the agency – what brought her here, why she’s so obsessed
    with capturing Bin Laden. I mean I knew more about Claire Danes’
    character after 20 minutes of the Homeland pilot than I did about Maya
    in this entire movie. The only reason you should have a 2 and a half
    hour movie is if you’re doing some major character exploration, and
    strangely enough, only the minimum was done here.”

    Frankly I think you totally misunderstood what this movie was doing with the Maya character. She isn’t the hero you’re looking for, she doesn’t tell terrorists to start spitting out names, she isn’t on the hunt for UBL because he shot her dog. She is driven by single-minded obsession, by laser-like focus. You don’t know a bunch of background about her because there is no background to know. Maya _is_ her job. When she’s sitting with her colleague in the hotel that’s about to get bombed, they aren’t “talking about boys”, the script is establishing that Maya doesn’t have boyfriends, doesn’t have hookups, doesn’t even have friends. When she’s sitting with the head of the CIA, he asks her what else she’s done for them besides hunting UBL in the decade she’s worked for the Agency. “Nothing,” Maya says. “I’ve done nothing else.”

    Fundamentally, I don’t think you understand what Bigelow and Boal are doing with her character. She is the female version of a male character archetype: He Who Is The Job. This isn’t a conventional thriller. It doesn’t have a central philosophical question, it doesn’t have an arc for the main character who learns something to make her a whole person. It is about the driven assholes who hunt those who mean us harm. It’s fine if that doesn’t work for you, but I think it’s unfair to apply the standards you’d apply to a Liam Neeson thriller to this.

    • carsonreeves1

      Well my interpretation behind it is different from yours, but I stand by it. I think one of the early lines in the movie is “Washington says she’s a killer.” I don’t know if that’s synonymous with “hardass” but it’s close. Merry Christmas. :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Gordon/10615440 Danny Gordon

        Have to agree with blumi. The second I read your interpretation of Maya as a character, I got an uncomfortable itch. And I don’t mean any offense, but I do think you completely misread the film’s intentions with her character. Maya is ALL about this singular goal that has COMPLETELY defined her life. She doesn’t have a personal life. Her personal life is her professional life. And in that last harrowing scene, where we’re subjected to a close-up on Maya’s face as she breaks down, you realize the film is sticking a question to the audience. Is Maya crying because she’s relieved/overjoyed at having finally accomplished this mission? Or is she suddenly experiencing deep sadness at the sudden realization that it’s all over… and her life is suddenly empty. Was Maya’s obsession about duty and country? Saving lives? Or was it about a desperate need to fill a vast personal void?

        • carsonreeves1

          I don’t know. I think it’s possible to make a character all about their job and also know a little more about them. They did it in Up In The Air with Clooney. But hey, that’s what makes breaking down these films so fun. Different opinions.

          • ThomasBrownen

            Maybe info about “Maya” remained classified, and rather than make stuff up, they decided to leave her vague and let the audience connect with her as they wished?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=756479198 Christopher Pendergraft

            He said that towards the end of the review. I’m planning to see this movie the day it opens nearby — I hope it’s better than The Hurt Locker.

      • blumi

        I didn’t get the impression that “Washington says she’s a killer” meant she kicks ass and takes names, but instead “She is our most elite, tenacious analyst”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=804792429 Craig Paulsen

    I liked it more than you. The real reason I liked it was because it showed how one little piece of seemingly insignificant information can lead to the killing of Bin Laden. With all the covert operatives and the 25 million dollar price tag for his head and all the time, money and resources spent on searching for this guy, all it took was one woman at the State Dept. who thought that – I don’t recall this verbatim since I saw the film a month ago – they had the wrong name of a guy and she gave them the correct name. This led them to get his mom’s phone number, buy the Lamborgini to get the number, track the cell phone of the guy, follow him to the compound, etc. I imagine that’s how it really works and this film captured that perfectly. People says it’s smoke and mirrors, but it’s just good old fashioned police work. And there is usually one person with tenacity that is behind it, behind it with the resolve to never take ‘no’ for an answer. And Maya was that person. Amazing.

  • http://twitter.com/AngryGizmo Angry Gizmo

    It’s true. Waterboarding doesn’t look that bad. If I had to choose between waterboarding and getting a cavity filled, I’d pick waterboarding. They should put this as one of the games at the carnival, right next to throwing the rings on the bottles. If you can put up with it for one minute, you win the big red dog.

    • rl1800

      True. Think about how memorable the torture scene was in The Marathon Man with Olivier drilling into Hoffman’s teeth.

  • ElliotMaguire

    Deep, dark, intense and serious. Can’t wait to see it!

  • J*E*B

    You lost me at critiquing water boarding. You want pulled fingernails, watch Syriana. This is the problem with American film goers, unless its force fed to you you just don’t get it. It’s a strange perspective in my opinion. It’s like going to transformers and being bored because robots from space wouldn’t really say “my bad”

    I saw this film weeks ago and just watched it again tonight. It is very engaging, with plenty of forward motion coming from every scene. Sure it’s not your typical military cheese like almost every single Middle East movie made (The Kingdom) but isn’t it nice one in awhile to try and think during a movie?

    • carsonreeves1

      I agree. It does make you think. But that doesn’t give a movie free reign to be sloppy.

      • J•E•B

        I think ‘sloppy’ might be a bit of a stretch.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=756479198 Christopher Pendergraft

      I agreed to be water boarded also. Big mistake. They’re right — it doesn’t look that terrible from the outside, but I cracked within a few seconds. So, chill out with the America bashing. I thought that kinda crap went out of style.

  • http://twitter.com/kinnygraham Graham

    Guess I need to wait and see the movie before I can agree or disagree with Carson’s take.

    However I do think there’s an interesting discussion to be had around films which ‘dramatize’ real life events. At what point does the ‘drama’ become unacceptable distortion?

    I was reflecting on this recently after watching ‘Argo’; from what I can gather there were a few ‘creative’ additions there that did not occur in real life (even without knowing the facts, I remember thinking that it was extremely unlikely that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard had actually chased the departing plane down the runway).

    Nobody seems too ‘worked up’ about ‘Argo’ – is it because those events are more distant in time ? Or did ‘Argo’ stay on the right side of what is ‘acceptable’ ?

    P.S. – All the best wishes of this festive season to Carson and everyone else in the ‘Scriptshadow community’. Enjoy !

  • Michaelo

    Merry Christmas to all “Shadowers.” Thanks Carson. Helluva year for you. Cheers

  • Xarkoprime

    Is there any chance to get ahold of this screenplay like the other Oscar contenders?

    Unfortunately this sucker isn’t out in Canada yet and I want to participate!

  • Bella_Lugossi

    Great characters that work without arcing. Like Indiana Jones?

    The arc of awesomeness…

    She who is the job..

    I always thought 2 hours was too little time to really change a person.

  • Sanket

    Merry Christmas…!!

  • Poe_Serling

    Here in LA and in NY it’s doing gangbuster business… In limited release (5 theaters total) it racked up over 400,000 this weekend for an 82,000 per screen average… not too shabby in my book.

  • ThomasBrownen

    I haven’t seen the movie and don’t have the screenplay, but I’ll be interested in watching this one. I’ve read The Hurt Locker, and I seem to remember thinking that it was interesting because it lacked an overall goal to the story. (At least, I think that’s what I remember — it’s been a while since I read it.) This was a bold choice, I thought, and it also made the movie more realistic since the movie aimed to capture the intoxicating drudgery of war, and not portray war as an exciting three-act movie.

    The Hurt Locker still worked because the scenes were incredibly tense: it’s a movie about bombs so there was almost always a bomb that was about to go off. Also, the characters were interesting as we learned more about them. But Zero Dark Thirty seems to have a clearer goal: find and kill Bin Laden. I’ll be curious to see if that led to a de-emphasis on the characters, or if the characters here still had the same intense depth that they did in The Hurt Locker.

  • Mr T

    Carson, I agree with almost everything you said in the review. Especially the coldness of Maya’s character. For me that was the film’s biggest negative. I understand that the job is her life and I get that she has nothing else, but I still think it’s possible to elaborate on her backstory. Sure, she doesn’t let other people get close, but we the audience could have. That would have helped strengthen my connection with her and with the film. As it was, I found myself struggling to stay interested, because yes there were too many scenes of people talking in rooms and too many scenes that were kind of unnecessary. At one point there’s scene where Maya is talking with Gandolfini and she says she was recruited right out of high school (or college?) and suddenly I felt hope that we might start to get more on her, but it never happened. That said, the final act was indeed incredibly compelling. It just took too long to arrive at for me. I think it could have been a lot tighter and maybe half hour or so shorter. Not my favorite film of the year, but not the worst, that title goes to Lincoln.

  • MelanieWyvern

    I agree that films which scream “Oscar bait” are an immediate turn off. They feel so manipulative.

    However, I have to disagree with this:

    Maya is the ultimate underdog. She’s a woman in a male-driven business. Nobody gives her a chance. Nobody believes her. So at its heart, this is really about a character overcoming adversity and disbelief to win in the end. That’s a universal story that anybody will love.

    Not anybody.

    The “woman in a male-driven business” is no longer any kind of underdog, because it’s a story that’s been done so very often. Silence of the Lambs told this story very well, and since then, it’s become a cliché, inviting eye-rolling predictability.

  • Kay Bryen

    If I’m correct, that ‘suicide bomb’ scene is based on the death of Jennifer’s real life namesake, Jennifer Matthews — the CIA handler. I always felt her life story would make a riveting movie, and she probably saved more lives than SEAL Team Six combined. But her death, on the other hand, was as tragic as it was needless. Still, being a true story doesn’t change what you and your wife thought: terrible decision-making, from an otherwise intelligent ‘intelligence’ operative.

  • Kay Bryen

    I find it ironic that when Bin Laden was finally eliminated, probably the only Americans who weren’t euphoric about it (well, except for Republican presidential hopefuls) were this film’s screenwriter and director themselves — as they were about to start shooting another Bin Laden script based on the 2001 Tora Bora cave-hunts. Okay that was harsh: of course we all wanted UBL dead — but you know what I mean, when you’ve been slaving on something for almost a decade, only for your script to get cock-blocked by the US Navy…

    Anyway OT: from one Muslim to my Christian fellow SS cult members: Merry Christmas, and may 2013 be our TDP!!

  • jger15

    This one was just okay for me. Not a lot of character depth — even for a procedural. Couldn’t really grab on to anything thematically (maybe I have to watch it again to conjure something up). But I think the biggest thing was the expectations going in.

    When the marketing and word-of-the-mouth machine tells you this is the best picture of the year over and over again, you want to believe it. I had a very similar experience with ARGO — good but not great. That’s why I wish I had more self-control sometimes with digging in to all of the trailers and clips and interviews that come out prior to release. It just inflates things to such a point that very few movies could ever come close to making good on these claims (although SILVER LININGS came close).

    Also, really great article on the topic from Vanity Fair: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/11/inside-osama-bin-laden-assassination-plot

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Gordon/10615440 Danny Gordon

    “I think the woman who the Seals shot has an Ak-47 in her hands, but they way it is portrayed, she seems to be pulling it off her husband rather than trying to use it. The Seals shoot her, she is 100% immobilised — then fire a couple more rounds into her body just to be sure.”

    Scartacus, any civilian in ANY situation like that would have the common sense not to TOUCH a weapon. By doing so, they acknowledge the possibility that they’re a threat and are therefore subject to being treated like one. The Seals are trained, mentally and physically, like any soldier in that role, to recognize any and all possibilites of threats, whether it be men, women or even children. You don’t think these Seals or other marines like them have fallen into circumstances where they’re being shot at by the wives/daughters/kids of extremists? This woman was living with extremists. Even if she never lifts the gun to point at the Seal, the second she reaches for it, he HAS to assume her intentions are to harm him, hence pumping three more rounds into her. And jesus, in order for the Seal to zip-tie her hands, he’d have to shoulder his gun, pull out a zip-tie, bend over, place it on her wrists, tie it, etc. How can you not acknowledge that such an act would put him in a very very vulnerable position. He hasn’t cleared the rooms yet. He doesn’t know how many extremists are lurking around. And when he communicates her status to the other Seal, he doesn’t describe it with zeal. You can hear it in their voices, they’re just communicating the facts. You think they want to fucking harm women and children!? C’mon, man, you gotta show some respect and at least acknowledge that these men are the best of the best. They are trained so thoroughly, no decision is made carelessly.

  • Michael

    Did the moderator make a Christmas present of my post or should I try uploading again?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Gordon/10615440 Danny Gordon

    “But instead, to dramatize this they have invented a completely fictional character in Maya, and implausibly whittled the hunt for Bin Laden down to one person’s quest. That just doesn’t have credibility no matter how cool they make the scenes look.”

    Boal has been adament in stating that what surprised him most in his research was how few people in the CIA where involved in the hunt for bin Laden, day-to-day. He went on to state emphatically that it most certainly become the mission of ONE FEMALE CIA OPERATIVE to find bin Laden. She’s not a “completely fictional character.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.lenihan1 Kevin Lenihan

      The CIA has called it fictional. Now you might say the CIA is not reliable. But that is supposedly where the film makers received their information. But use common sense: do you really think the only person that really cared to pursue Bin Laden was a lone female agent? This screams Hollywood.

  • TGivens

    Great review, Carson! Haven’t seen this movie yet, but I’m looking forward to it. Merry Christmas everyone!

  • Kent

    Hated the hurt locker. To me it was an overlong episode of Mcgyver. Green wire or red, oh no it’s gonna blow. Repeat. I’ll catch this one on TV.

  • Martin B

    Wise words from someone who has been in the trenches. Thanks bro.

  • Martin B

    Merry Fucking XXXmas ScriptShadow!

  • Martin B

    I went waterboarding once. It was big fun.

  • shadypotential

    Mark Boal is an oscar winning screenwriter….that is all

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.lenihan1 Kevin Lenihan

    It just doesn’t make sense, even if you hate the CIA and think it guilty of everything from JFK to 9/11. This would be their most prestigious and juicy target in their history. Like this Maya character, all CIA agents are very career driven and ambitious by nature. It’s not easy to get into the CIA, and only those ambitious types get in. It might be one of the few agencies in the government that is actually motivated. It just doesn’t make sense to portray this as the case no one else cared about except for one determined, ambitious person.

    On the other hand, as screenwriters we can see the obvious benefit for shrinking this story down to one person’s quest. It’s just good storytelling. And actually making that person a woman who we know little about, I even approve of that choice. Picture True Grit with a 14 yr old boy instead of a girl. Doesn’t work as well. So here we have a woman who is determined to succeed in the testosterone world of the CIA. That takes determination. And something is driving that determination, something that causes this attractive woman to give up all other normal personal goals, such as raising a family.

    I actually dated a woman like this who worked for Naval Intelligence and I think they got the character right, at least based on this review. I think they made smart story telling choices. But that doesn’t change the fact that this is probably a very poor reflection of how the operation went down. You had talented film makers who were given extraordinary access to certain information by people who thought it would help their electoral chances. I can understand why they took on the project. But in the end it seems they kind of lost their reason for making the film.

    Thanks for the discussion, Danny!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Gordon/10615440 Danny Gordon

      Yeah, this has been a fun discussion, Kevin.

      Although I still have to disagree with your assumption that Maya’s character isn’t rooted in fact. My feeling is that the CIA, as it’s illustrated in the film, was very keen on tracking bin Laden in the immediate years following 9/11. But I have no trouble imagining that after years and years of dead ends, cold leads, disinformation – not to mention the prevailing notion that ten years later, Americans aren’t thinking about the hunt for bin Laden day-to-day any more, that the CIA would put the search on the back-burner. I don’t mean to suggest that the CIA stopped caring about the hunt. But rather after years and years of no progress, they became less determined. Media moves on, the conversation becomes less and less common and sure enough, before you know it, the CIA is putting most of their resources into the war in Afghanistan.

      I’m actually not a big conspiracy theorist nor do I relish the opportunity to bash the CIA. Yet the CIA has been known for playing politics and being reckless with their investigations in the past. I DEF agree that Boal/Bigelow were incredibly lucky/fortunate to discover such a great through-line for their movie. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I guess, at the end of the day, I’m taking Boal’s word over Morell’s.

      Also, check this out: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/real-life-zero-dark-thirty-400523

  • jridge32

    Great review. Austin needs to get this sooner than 1/11!

  • fragglewriter

    I will wait for this to come on cable or if RedBox sends me a coupon. I didn’t like HURT LOCKER at all, only Jeremy Renner.

    Good point that if you had to drop one of the three GSU, then drop urgency. I have a script that I’m going to write where urgency isn’t in two weeks, but as soon as possible. Must a lay out a timeline in my script if I want it to succeed (get read)?

  • Writer451

    ” I can think of 10,000 torture techniques that look a hell of a lot worse than that, so whenever I see someone water-boarded in a film, it doesn’t have any effect on me.”

    That’s how I felt about LINCOLN. There are no gruesome war scenes (like the opening scene in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN) to make me feel uncomfortable enough to desire peace for the characters, therefore, why would I care if they choose the 13th Amendment over peace? I wouldn’t. As a result, I don’t feel the conflict that the characters in the movie are said to feel between choosing to end the war or end slavery. There’s no question or challenge for me, so I don’t feel anything.

    Also, b/c of the omission of a gruesome war scene or two, the people who are desperate for peace end up looking like a bunch of one dimensional racists instead of the peace-nicks they may really be.

  • scartacus

    Could be, Danny. Then again, civilians do get caught in the firing line on a regular basis. There is a beat where our heroine Maya is agitating for an airstrike on the compound — despite the fact that she knows that there are a dozen kids and women living in the target area.

    The prevailing attitude in the Agency seems to be — If the bad guy’s worth smoking, collateral damage is considered regrettable but acceptable. As for the execution angle — imagine if a cop shot and disarmed a felon. His wife throws herself over her husband to protect him — and THEN the cop drills both of them with a couple of “safety rounds” to be sure. That cop would be looking at jailtime.

    In a combat zone, the rules of engagement are clearly much looser and fraught — but even so…I’d to kill to know what the Seals’ orders were. What would they have done if OBL had surrendered? The movie certainly got me thinking about the whole conundrum of kill or capture.

  • cjob3

    Has the screenplay for this ever surfaced online anywhere? If so, could someone point me in the direction?

  • Will!

    I caught this at the premiere and I have to say this is one of the few times I agree with Carson. The movie is very good but I have no urgency to see it again.

    It is basically a movie about the hunt for Bin Laden with the raid added in the end. And the raid is FUCKING INTENSE.

    The movie is by no means slow, and it does build to a satisfying conclusion. The main factor being Maya is a female who spends a decade of her life in a male driven workplace fighting for what she believes in while all the boy shrug her off.

    I think this is better than Hurt Locker and while both are good, I don’t think they are oscar worthy. Best films of the year are still Silver Linings and Django by far.

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