Genre: Superhero
Premise: When Bruce Wayne’s new bride is killed, he vows revenge on the killer. But Superman lets him know that if he tries any sort of vigilante justice, he’ll have to step in and stop him.
About: This is the 2002 draft of Batman vs. Superman, code-named “Asylum.” It was written by “Seven” scribe, Andrew Kevin Walker, with revisions made by Akiva Goldsman. The project got fairly close to being made, but then everyone started freaking out about the mixing of these two gigantic superheroes and the movie was nixed.
Writer: Andrew Kevin Walker (revisions by Akiva Goldsman)
Details: 120 pages (June 21, 2002 draft)

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So last week I posted an article about how I didn’t think Batman vs. Superman could be done. One of the things that seemed to support my belief is that they’ve been developing this thing for like 20+ years and no one has figured it out yet. The reason they can’t figure it out is the same reason nobody figured out a movie like Cowboys vs. Aliens for its 20 year development period – because it’s an idea that just doesn’t work.

Now there are some who have said that the Batman vs. Superman concept worked just fine in comic book form so why can’t it work in movie form? I must profess I haven’t read these comics, but comics are way way different from movies. With a movie, there has to be a certain baseline reality. Comics allow for much more leniency in that world. For example, in a comic you can have characters like, “Evil Superman.” You can’t make that work in a film.

What I’m reviewing today was the closest Batman vs. Superman got to coming to the big screen (before now). The draft was written by Andrew Kevin Walker, THE go-to screenwriter at the time if you were writing something dark. He was the “come out of nowhere screenwriting story” of 1993 when his spec “Seven” found its way out of the slush pile, became a huge spec sale, and went on the screen with hot young director David Fincher directing and on-the-cusp-of-superstardom Brad Pitt starring. If someone was going to make this work, he was a good choice.

Batman vs. Superman starts out by informing us that Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne are BFFs! No, I kid you not. In fact, Bruce Wayne is getting married to this amazing chick named Elizabeth, and Clark is his best man! Lots of things have changed for Bruce, in fact. He hasn’t been Batman in over six years, retiring the suit for a normal billionaire’s life.

Clark, on the other hand, isn’t doing so hot. The X-Ray visioned one has recently DIVORCED Lois Lane. Yeah, apparently being married to Superman isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, what with your hubby on call 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Not only that, but Supes is starting to doubt his whole purpose on earth. Why should someone who’s not even from this planet get to decide who gets saved and who doesn’t? It’s all very stressful.

Speaking of stressful, Bruce’s honeymoon takes a sour turn when his new wife is KILLED with a poisonous bumblebee dart! This pisses Brucey off, so he re-dons the Batman suit and goes looking for revenge. Superman is NOT cool with that, saying that if Bruce tries his little vigilante justice thing, he’s going to have to step in and stop him. Bruce tells Clark to fuck off. This has nothing to do with him.

Eventually we find out that the person who killed Elizabeth is none other than THE JOKER. But that’s impossible! The Joker is dead. Hmm, maybe this is a good thing. It’s not technically murder if the guy’s already dead. Not sure if that logic is going to work on Superman though. In the meantime, Clark is back in Smallville getting all nostalgic about his teenage years where he was in love with some girl named Lana. But he eventually suspects that his old jailed pal LEX LUTHOR had something to do with this murder. So he goes to visit him and, indeed, Lex is acting mighty suspicious about the whole thing.

Eventually, as Batman goes to take the Joker out in town square, Superman arrives and says if Batman’s gong to kill the Joker, he’ll have to go through him first. And that’s when our little city battle between Batman and Superman begins – indeed with a kryptonite laced Bat-suit. After it’s all over (as I predicted, nobody actually wins), it’s revealed that Lex Luthor planned all this from the start, even training Elizabeth to be Bruce’s perfect woman. He was hoping that Batman would kill Superman for him. But he was wrong. Now Batman and Superman are teaming up, TO KILL HIM! Let the real battle begin!

Okay, I was hoping that this script would make it clear that a Batman vs. Superman movie couldn’t work. However, I’m left more confused than ever. The writers actually do a fairly decent job setting up the reason for Superman and Batman to fight. Batman is all about vigilante justice. Superman stands for a fair trial. Batman is enraged about his wife’s death, and therefore isn’t thinking clearly. So it makes sense that he becomes pissed at Superman for telling him what to do. I can see them brawling over that.

However, it’s really hard to get past the setup. Clark and Bruce are best friends?? What is this, Judd Apatow’s version of Superman vs. Batman? And Superman doesn’t get divorced. Steve Carrell in his latest dramedy gets divorced. Nor does Superman go back home to think over his life. Zach Braff does. And when Bruce is getting married and he turns for the ring, only for us to see it’s Clark Kent who’s his best man… I closed my eyes and shook my head. It was exactly as I feared. As artificially plotted as one could imagine.

However, you eventually get used to their friendship. Never completely, but enough to keep reading. And actually, Bruce’s storyline is pretty interesting. This whole thing with him gradually learning that the Joker has come back to life is pretty cool. I wouldn’t mind seeing that as a standalone movie.

Unfortunately, the writers have no idea what to do with Clark in the meantime. After his divorce (ugh, it just sounds wrong. Superman doesn’t get divorced!), he heads back to Smallville and literally hangs out doing nothing for 50 pages. It’s scene after scene of him and this girl saying things like, “Remember when we went to prom?” Superman doesn’t hang around feeling bad for himself. Superman goes out and saves people. So this entire portion of the story sucked.

But I must admit, once we get to the Superman vs. Batman battle, I was more convinced than I thought I would be. Walker and Goldsman do their job setting up the motivations for each. That’s not to say the fight was perfect. In fact, it was a little confusing. Batman’s suit was laced with kryptonite, so Superman couldn’t “come within five feet” of Batman unless he wanted to get his ass kicked. So Superman does stuff like use his x-ray vision to attack him. Lame-o.

Eventually, the two do physically fight, with Superman even flying around with Batman on top of him. But if Batman is wearing kryptonite, how can Superman fly around with him on top? These are the kind of little details that don’t seem important, but the nerds are going to be out in full force with this battle. If there’s even one cheat, they’re going to call you on it.

Also, Zak Snyder may have unintentionally painted himself into a corner with Man of Steel. One of the reasons this draft kind of works is because Superman keeps righteously telling Batman “You can’t just kill people.” Except didn’t Superman kill thousands of people during his fight with General Zod in Man of Steel? So Batman kind of has a one-up on him with that argument.

All in all, this was better than I expected it to be. Maybe not “worth the read” level. But still okay. I don’t know if they’ll be using this draft as a template or a cautionary tale or what, but if they do, Batman’s journey is really fun. They just need to give Superman the same level of shit to do. And if they do ever go with this “Joker comes back to life” thing, they need a better explanation from a guy like Lex Luthor than, “You’d be amazed at what DNA splicing and a billion dollars can do.”

You can find the script yourself here.

[ ] what the hell did I just read?
[x] wasn’t for me
[ ] worth the read
[ ] impressive
[ ] genius

What I learned: You can’t just leave a character on the shelf and pick him back up when you need him. We’ve all done this. We have our main storyline (here, it’s Batman investigating his wife’s murder) and then a key character who we don’t quite know what to do with in the meantime. So we “put him on the shelf” (give him a boring stagnant storyline) until we need him again. Never put a character on the shelf. Always have him/her pushing towards something so they remain active, relevant, and interesting.

  • RoseAngelus

    good review

  • http://www.jorgeosvaldo.com/ Jorge Osvaldo

    I, too, looked up this screenplay when the new Batman/Superman movie was announced. It certainly has many aspects that could work within the framework established in Man of Steel.

    I believe that Goyer can come up with a legitimate reason for these two superheroes to fight. In fact, he might be able to invert the usual dynamic between these two characters; i.e. in this world, Superman has inadvertently killed thousands, whereas Nolan’s Batman has only killed Ra’s al Ghul (he didn’t even kill Bane–Catwoman did). Perhaps Bruce comes out of retirement to apprehend the super-powered alien that’s causing trouble, and during his investigation he ends up uncovering a more sinister antagonist that requires our heroes to join forces in order to stop it.

    Writing the second installment in a superhero saga is always an easier proposition; once the origin story out of the way, the writer can focus on creating inventive scenarios for our awe-inspiring protagonists to play around in. That’s why I skipped my own superhero’s origin story; it was more rewarding and entertaining to jump into a world were a godlike hero was a given, and it allowed for a story that deviated from the traditional superhero template. Considering the proliferation of superhero films, I see no reason to skip the tedious explanations in the same manner that body-switching comedies do it.

  • andyjaxfl

    I think I’d give this one a [xx] wasn’t for me (is that even a rating?).

    The Clark storyline Carson mentioned is pretty bland, which is code for boring as fucking hell in a superhero movie. To put in Scriptshadow terms, there’s no GSU for Clark. Why have him in the script if there’s no goal for him for 30+ pages? While Bruce is pursuing leads, cracking skulls, and breaking bones trying to find out who killed his wife, Clark is holding hands and rolling in the tall Kansas grass Anakin Skywalker-style with Lana Lang. How do you say “barf” in Kryptonian?

    I do think a Batman/Superman movie can work because the dynamic between these characters is there–someone just needs to mine it. I just don’t think David Goyer has the tools to get it done.

    • Alan Burnett

      “While Bruce is pursuing leads, cracking skulls, and breaking bones trying to find out who killed his wife, Clark is holding hands and rolling in the tall Kansas grass Anakin Skywalker-style with Lana Lang.”

      Nah, it’s not even that interesting. Bruce basically has lame conversations with Commissioner Gordon’s daughter (whose now a cop) and blames Superman for ridiculous, half-baked reasons. You know what’s the interesting story in this script? Nothing, there’s nothing compelling about the world, the characters, their psychologies or any other aspect of the script. It’s like that episode of ‘South Park’ where the kids are excited to go ziplining … until they discover that ziplining is fucking boring and all the other aspects of the trip is tedious, as well.

  • https://twitter.com/cmulliganauthor Chris Mulligan

    Batman V. Superman isn’t tough. The table’s set for the coming Superman 2 to play out perfectly. We’ll see Bruce Wayne come to Metropolis to help fellow billionaire Lex Luthor rebuild. Bruce is paranoid of the new alien (well established from comic lore), Lex is power hungry, so they’ll team up to develop tech that can protect them should the Kryptonion fly off the handle in the future. Once Bruce finally figures out Lex is more offense than defense he’ll jump to the other side.

    Wham. Bam. Boom. Movie.

    Also, maybe some pointless flashbacks and overly saturated colors, because Snyder.

    • Alan Burnett

      Yeah … wait, what? MOS was DE-saturated as hell. Seriously, the color design was muted, with the exception of the blues in the Krypton sequences which were overly saturated.

      • https://twitter.com/cmulliganauthor Chris Mulligan

        That’s why I said “some” :).

        • Alan Burnett

          It’s OK if you know nothing about color design because Snyder.

  • RO

    Like JJ’s FLYBY script of Superman being a pretty strong template for Man of Steel, I feel that this Asylum script will do the same for this team up film. It’s the only way they can get a script ready for their production start time. Plus WB still paid for that script and the story elements so they might as well just have it go under a few more rewrites while they work on sets.

    This will be a movie that’ll make a lot of money, but will probably be pretty empty like Man of Steel.

    • Jan Párek

      Yeah, I read Abrams’ 2nd draft, saw some artworks for FlyBy and that ‘inspiration’ is quite clear. So you could be right.

      And to be honest, i’d love to see Batman, Superman, Joker and Lex together on the screen.

  • Kieran ODea

    My favorite Batman v Superman script is Man of Tomorrow. I suggest any fan of the subject read it. However, it throws out all the old lore and imagines what if Batman and Superman duked it out in the 40s. In a dystopian chicago I might add.

    • garrett_h

      I mentioned this script last week when Carson made his initial Batman vs. Superman post. Definitely the best scripted iteration of the story I’ve seen.

      They’d have to change some things. Actually, a lot of things. Especially the ending. But that script handles the motivations very well imo. If they could figure out a way to use it as a template or a jumping off point, they’d be in good shape.

      • Kieran ODea

        yea, i don’t think its the box office type movie they’d want to make. i think it’d be too dark for them and honestly it approaches superman in a more down to earth fashion.

      • Kieran ODea

        also there are similar story lines that are used in man of tomorrow as in the script being mentioned above… ie the girlfriend

  • Mike.H

    From the poster above: Christian Bale chokes Brandon Rouf…

    • GeneralChaos

      You misspelled his name. It’s Brendan Roof.

  • Paul Clarke

    Sounds like this script is at least on the right track. The real key to a Batman vs Superman script is to chose one as the protagonist. And it has to be Batman.

    So no need to show Clark hanging out in Smallville. Just have Bruce on his mission, and Clark constantly getting in the way. It is almost impossible to make Superman a good protagonist (see Man of Steel). He is never going to be the underdog. He is never going to be vulnerable. He is boring. He isn’t funny. He would work much better as a strong antagonistic force. More like a robot. Have his rigid rules define his actions. Bruce on the other hand wants to bend the rules.

    Also, would make more sense if Lex did resurrect the Joker Jurassic Park style.

    Superman would be the main obstacle, but ultimately Batman would fight the real bad guy at the end (maybe with the help of Superman, but only a little).

    There’s a reason Batman movies make more money. He makes a great protagonist. Superman makes a better antagonist, hence why they made the move Megamind.

    Also – Why doesn’t Superman just use his heat vision from a distance? Solves every problem he ever had.

    • WB

      Good points about Batman being a better protag.
      Also, as you pointed out, Superman doesn’t need to be within five feet of you to mess you up. Exhibit A: The manhole cover Ursa chucks at him in Superman 2. I’m pretty sure Batman wouldn’t be getting up from that.

  • Auckland Guy

    Carson, I agree with your original analysis that this movie simply isn’t going to fly, so to speak. It requires all kinds of character compromise from two VERY well known and established characters just to make a fancied title work. They are both good guys who fight bad guys so why are they fighting each other? The concept is illogical. The only way I can see it working is if there was a massive misunderstanding perpetrated by some evil genius to set them against one another until the end of the second act. They both then discover the deception and team up for the third act to defeat the villain. But is that really Batman vs Superman anyway?

    You mentioned this might be DC’s response to Marvel teaming up its characters in The Avengers… if so, wouldn’t DC be better to follow Marvel’s example and team Batman and Superman up, fighting a villain or threat? That would seem logical instead of making too many compromises just to fulfill a title or a question asked in a dorm room at 2am.

    • Brainiac138

      There is no confirmation that Batman and Superman are going to fight, or at least that is the focus of the film, and the film’s title hasn’t even been confirmed as Superman vs Batman, that is just what everyone is calling it.

      More than likely, the two will come together, be temperamental with each other at first, and then team up against a common threat.

  • Poe_Serling

    I’ve always been a fan of Andrew Kevin Walker’s work, especially his unique take on The Legend of Sleepy Hollow. Perhaps my affinity for his projects is tied to the fact that we’re from the same stomping grounds back East.

    A short time ago, I was excited to see that Walker was penning the remake of the ’70s supernatural thriller – The Reincarnation of Peter Proud.

    “When college professor Peter Proud begins to experience flashbacks from a
    previous incarnation, he is mysteriously drawn to a place he has never been before but which is troublingly familiar.”

    When they first announced the project, it was being heavily promoted as a reteaming of Walker with director David Fincher.

    >>The ’70s pic was pretty much a staple of late-night TV… the sorta film that you turn on for a minute and before you know it – the end credits are rolling!

  • David Sarnecki

    Carson, I swear to God you write these things just to annoy me. I can’t help but read them in a Ron Burgandy arrogant voice. You’re going to give me a stroke.

  • Howie428

    I agree with the point you’re making, but as a boy I thought Evil Superman worked fine in Superman III. Perhaps I should watch it again.

    • Jonathan Soens

      Yeah, no, that movie really doesn’t hold up well.

      Kryptonite turns him evil all of a sudden instead of just taking his powers? So, his costume/logo get slightly darker? And he becomes a sad-sack alcoholic? And he grows some stubble? And, oh yeah, he gets horny?

      It’s like a mash-up between “Superman” and “Leaving Las Vegas.” But without Nic Cage.

      • garrett_h

        I agree.

        I hated Superman III as a boy. And I hate Superman III as a man.

      • RO

        Actually the Kryptonite turns him evil because there was an element the computer couldn’t identify so Gus Gorman put in Tar as he was reading the cigarette ingredients. The Tar was the X factor that made the kryptonite turn him evil instead of kill him. It was a pretty strong plot point in the film. One of the few good ones they had in that film, actually.

        • Dyland55

          I’m just saying bust out the periwinkle kryptonite and watch the magic happen.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite

        • Jonathan Soens

          Well, if we’re really gonna dig into this…

          They were able to “recreate” or synthesize some semblance of kryptonite because the computer hacker pointed a satellite in the direction of Krypton to get a reading of different elements found in the debris of the area where the planet used to be, and they just assumed that that would suffice as a recipe for homemade Kryptonite. And these villains only knew Kryptonite was Superman’s weakness in the first place because one of them remembered him publicly revealing that information in a newspaper interview. Literally nothing in this entire paragraph makes any sense.

          So I disagree with your description of these events as being “a pretty strong plot point.” I thought it was all very flimsy.

          Computers don’t work like that, satellites don’t work like that, geology doesn’t work like that, tar doesn’t work like that, science doesn’t work like that.

          And even if all of those things did work the way they work in the movie, Superman still never would’ve announced his weakness for the media to report. He’s a working journalist who has some level of media-savvy, and he’s already faced villains who used kryptonite as a weapon against him. He would never put that information out there just because an interviewer asked him a question.

          • RO

            First, satellites can study and gather a lot of information about many objects in space. That information is referred to as “telemetry” and it can be translated by humans and/or computers. They have been used to discover many planets over the decades and give information about it’s mass, environment and geology (that includes what types of minerals and/or elements are part of said planet). They can even detect the types and levels of radiation from stars, meteors and comets. And just to let you know: geology is the science of earth, the rocks of which it is composed, and the processes by which they change. It also applies to the solid features of any celestial bodies, that would include the remains of Krypton. So yes, geology, computers, satellites and science can and do actually work like that.

            I won’t say what was shown in Superman III is 100% accurate, that one person by themselves on a computer in smallville can do all that as easily as shown, but the concept is within the realm of possibility (because it has been done in some cases), especially in a fictional movie.

            Second: When it comes to scientific formula: switching a variable out for another or adding an additional one to a formula does create something different. The proof of this can be done in your kitchen. Start making a meal and then substitute one ingredient for another. Will the meal be the same?

            So it’s tar in the movie. Big deal, the point is to stress that it’s not the correct ingredient and the payoff is that the end product doesn’t do what the antagonists originally intended for it to do, but it does do something different and it furthers the ridiculous story.

            Now you are welcome to disagree with the synthetic kryptonite and its effects not being a strong plot point. But you would be incorrect because that action was the source of the entire second act of the film. Without Richard Prior creating it there wouldn’t be a conflict for Superman to struggle with. Superman wouldn’t turn bad, get seduced by the blonde chick and stop that oil tanker. He wouldn’t get drunk and break bottles with peanuts, he wouldn’t straighten the leaning tower of Pisa, he wouldn’t have blown out the Olympic torch, he wouldn’t lose the peoples trust, he wouldn’t fight himself in the city junk yard. All these actions that Superman went through were to distract him from Webster’s scheme. The moment he overcame them, he immediately goes after Webster and we’re into the not-so-climactic ending.

            This was also a Richard Lester film, who felt the need to incorporate several ridiculous moments into this movie. It has a comedic aspect to it, but it’s out of place for the most part.

            And finally, why couldn’t Kryptonite be publicly revealed to the world? I’m pretty sure Webster said he remembered reading/hearing it somewhere. Not Superman revealing it to the world. So it could have been information released from anywhere because the Daily Planet newspaper isn’t the only one that exists. Clark Kent isn’t the only reporter. Who’s to say he’s the only one who could announce the existence of Kryptonite? Lex Luthor and Otis were both arrested. Even if Lex didn’t say anything, you think Otis would be smart enough to not mention Kryptonite? What about the investigation regarding its theft from Addis Abbiba, which was perpetrated by Luthor? Certainly it would be brought up along with his numerous other crimes. You don’t think the information Luthor discovered from a National Geographic could be found from a more intense study when investigators question why he stole it in the first place? It doesn’t matter that it’s lost in a drain pipe some where, studies of the rock have been done (how else would Luthor know it’d be lethal to Superman), so it’s plausible that anyone else looking into Luthor’s theft of it would come across the rocks true nature eventually.

            For all of Superman III’s flaws, the synthetic kryptonite and what it does to Superman isn’t as weak or full of holes as you may think.

          • Jonathan Soens

            I still think pointing a device at the location where a blown-up planet used to be doesn’t explain how they quickly came up with a mostly accurate recipe for making a specific item/substance from that planet. That’s like if Earth blows up tomorrow, and in a hundred years some alien points a device at the debris leftover from the explosion, and a document magically pops up on his computer screen telling him how to build his own homemade avocado tree from scratch.

            To me it felt like the old comic strip somebody drew of two scientists at a chalkboard. The chalkboard is broken down into three sections. There are complex equations filling the first and third sections, and in between in the 2nd section it simply says: “And then a miracle happens…” And the one guy turns to the other and tells him he thinks he needs to be more specific about Step Two.

            Anyway, yeah, there are bigger gripes.

    • GeneralChaos

      The movie wasn’t great, but the Clark/Evil Superman junkyard battle was the best part.

      • cjob3

        I like when we was breaking the bar mirrors by flicking peanuts at them.

  • ximan

    12 comments? Really?!? I guess everyone got their gripes out in the original article.

    By the way, Carson, when you wrote how you closed your eyes and shook your head at the Clark Kent best man reveal?? PRICELESS.

  • Alex Palmer

    I had this filed for a “later read”, so thanks for saving me the trouble.

    But I’m disappointed. I thought the parenthetical “asylum” meant it was penned by Asylum studios, those of “Transmorphers” and “Age of the Hobbits” fame. And that it was scrapped due to a Cease and Desist from WB.

    I think we all agree that if there’s one studio who could make a great supes vs bats film, it Asylum studios.

  • Jim Dandy

    Get M. Night Shyamalan to write it – they could both be dead, but they don’t know it.

    Or get Tarantino to write it – both Batman and Superman are on their way to a mob hit, and they talk about different names for Kryptonite. Then they fight each other for the drug money they find during the hit. I’d pay to see that.

    Or maybe have Woody Allen write the screenplay – they could both accidentally run into each other after a therapy session in New York. They become so neurotic that the only way to resolve their internal demons is to fight each other. With jokes.

    Perhaps Vince Gilligan can have a go – Batman and Superman go into the meth business together, but have a falling out. Batman and Superman on meth; wouldn’t that be the mother of all fights.

  • Warren Hately

    I don’t think Supes killed thousands of people, I think he allowed them to be killed in contravention of everything we’ve come to expect of Superman & which perhaps was a logic oversight of the writer/director/producer. He only forcibly killed one dude, right?

  • Kay Bryen

    I’m sorry but I can’t take any fight with Superman seriously if he can just resort to stuff like this:

    “Superman INHALES deeply, and… EXHALES as only Superman can — with HURRICANE FORCE.

    Batman’s pushed back in the GAIL… BLOWN BACKWARDS… THROWN high into the air, flailing…”

    Wait, so Supes just literally blows Batso away?! What’s next in his arsenal, bad breath??

    • JakeBarnes12

      Wait, Kay, you’re saying there’s something weird about teenage boys’ fantasizing about a muscly man who can blow really hard?

    • J. Lawrence Head

      It worked against 2/3 of the little pigs.. and two out of three ain’t bad.

    • GeneralChaos

      Well, he would want to do that rather than punch his friend and risk disintegrating him completely, like blowing a bug off your arm instead of swatting it.

  • Alan Burnett

    I can’t believe that Carson didn’t go into detail about the villains. Walker and FUCKING Goldsman took the two most iconic villains in comic book history and managed to make them the most boring, repetitive, one-note assholes. Holy shit, these two characters didn’t have a single memorable line or exchange between them and were dull as hell on their own. The only thing that differentiated them from your jerkoff villains in a season from ‘The Vampire Diaries’ were their names. I honestly can’t believe that the guy who wrote Se7en could have written those two characters. Seriously, any half decent writer could have shit a decent line or scene with these two characters, but the script gives them boring voices and lame motivations. And it isn’t just that the Nolan brothers raised the bar for villains in comicbook movies because Nicholson and Hackman’s takes are still funny and entertaining. This was just bad writing.

  • fragglewriter

    I haven’t read the scruipt, but from reading the synopsis, this might work better as a cartoon.
    I think if this movie wants to get made, you have to add in a “Fatal Attraction” twist to it.

    “Eventually, the two do physically fight, with Superman even flying around with Batman on top of him. But if Batman is wearing kryptonite, how can Superman fly around with him on top?”
    Think back to Saturday Night Live’s skit “Ambiguously Gay Duo” LOL

  • Panos Tsapanidis

    You know what, guys?

    Let’s have Superman push Batman to hang his cape so justice can be served the honorable way blahblahblah.

    Then accidentally KILL Batman’s wifey, then COVER UP the murder by putting it on a villain (i.e. Joker) and have Batman trying to find clues to the murder and Superman try to cover his trails.

    Cash, checks, Paypal. We accept them all, thank you.

  • J. Lawrence Head

    Somewhere amongst the 52,000 comments that were made to last week’s B/S article (That’s Batman/Superman duh….) I posted the comment with my concept, citing Supe’s powers being on the fritz and too dangerous to use. That is the one that i think is still fairly plausible.. as far as people with superpowers scripts can be… it’s need a little more fleshing out, but ya…

  • Nate

    I think it could work if they took a big fucking risk and made a movie based on the Batman: Arkham Origins game. This is the basic synopsis for Batman: Arkham Origins:

    ”The game’s main storyline is set five years before that of 2009’s Batman: Arkham Asylum and follows a younger and less refined Batman who has a bounty placed on his head by crime lord Black Mask, drawing eight of the world’s deadliest assassins to Gotham City on Christmas Eve.”

    They should base the movie around that idea. Except with a big focus placed on the relationship between Batman / Bruce and Superman / Clark.

    So the story could be like this:

    ”Shortly after the events of Man of Steel, Bruce Wayne beats out LexCorp to rebuild Metropolis, bankrupting Lex Luthor’s company. Feeling resentful of his competition’s success, Luthor hires Deathstroke to kill the people involved in his downfall and to frame Bruce for the murder, forcing him to go on the run.

    Clark Kent covers the ”Bruce Wayne: Murderer?” story and investigates as both Clark and Superman in order to clear Bruce’s name, because of what Wayne Enterprises did for Smallville after a hurricane destroyed the town (same one that killed his father).

    Meanwhile, Bruce suits up as Batman and begins to investigate the crimes himself. Both men clash over their different methods. Eventually they discover the truth behind the murders and together they confront Lex and Deathstroke, leading to a fight where only one side will emerge victorious.”

    That’s how I’d do it at least.

  • Mike.H

    The world’s obsession with superheros continues… It’s true, ppl have no lives.

    • GeneralChaos

      I could argue that the fact that people spend so much time at the movies could mean they have no lives, or spend so much time posting on websites means people have no lives, but that would be silly. The two have nothing to do with each other.

  • GeneralChaos

    Just a note to mention that Clark and Bruce have been and are close friends in the comics. Been that way for decades and has even been portrayed in animated form.
    Carson, how can you be into genre films as much as you seem to be and not have had even a passing interest in comics growing up?

  • Dyland55

    I feel like the problem with this movie vs Avengers, is that we got the stand alone films that helped build a base for a 2hr long action piece. Though Batman recently finished, that batman is done. We don’t know who Ben Affleck Batman is. I’m not saying we need a reboot, but what is the fate of this character? Will there be another standalone film? Will he just pop up in other DC movies? He isn’t the same character that moved to france in the end of the trilogy, so we need to get his story again, and I don’t want to get that info in this movie.

    • GeneralChaos

      Everyone knows Batman’s story by now. No need for any setup. There was really no need to setup Superman, but they went the easy route.

      • Dyland55

        I’m not saying we need an origin story, but I do want to know if this is a new batman or if batman’s been around for a while, or he’s some retired batman, or whatever, but I don’t think this is information that should be brought up in this film.

        I think this could be a good movie, by the way. I just think a movie to set it up could make it better. That’s all.

        why not make a film like Tim Burton’s Batman. Right from the beginning Bruce Waynn is already batman, and it’s great. Build some mistrust for superman… Then

        Batman vs Superman

        • GeneralChaos

          I think most people would see another standalone Batman film as pointless. I think the studio would probably want to save anticipation for a new Batman for the MOS sequel.

        • Jonathan Soens

          I don’t think Batman needs a movie to set him up.

          Judging by the actors they were supposedly considering, they made a point of going for guys who were a little older. Guys in their 40’s or late 30’s. I’m assuming he’ll be a Batman who has retired, or a Batman who has been kind of run-down from the grind.

          It’s not hard to convey that kind of stuff in this movie. He doesn’t need his own establishing movie to let us know he’s older and tired. We’ll already understand that the moment we see a world-weary Batman/Bruce with a little gray in his hair showing up on the screen.

          Yes, they’ll have to do some exposition or backstory (not just for Bruce, but also for the villain)… but it’ll be far less of a burden than the exposition and backstory the “Man of Steel” movie had to deal with as an obligatory origin story. And, frankly, it’s not even that hard to dig into backstory and exposition when you already have the handy device of characters who are journalists.

  • Cfrancis1

    Im not a big comic book reader but I love the DC animated movies that come out every six months or so. Seen a lot of them and in all of the Batman/Superman ones, Clark and Bruce are good friends, so I have no trouble accepting that. It’s been firmly established in the comic book and animated world. I love their relationship. They’re always bickering like an old married couple. It’s a lot of fun.

  • UrbaneGhoul

    Actually, I think it makes more sense for Batman to be the one saying you just can’t kill people. Batman/Superman movie isn’t that hard. World’s Finest, the animated movie, was pretty good.

  • Jan Párek

    I think Petersen wanted Colin Farrell or Christian Bale as Batman and Jude Law or Josh Hartnett as Superman. It would be a solid movie.

  • GeneralChaos

    I didn’t ask if he reads them now, I asked if he read them as a kid. Surely he must’ve seen even an episode of SuperFriends. It’s right in the title! And I haven’t read comics in years, but there are plenty of brilliant people who read them. Don’t be such a snob.

  • https://twitter.com/cmulliganauthor Chris Mulligan

    Blackmail’s classic and there’s definitely plenty of comic examples of something like that. You’d have to involve another adversary for your angle. Brainiac maybe?

    We saw Wayne Tech satellites destroyed during the kryptonian fight at the end of MOS. We also didn’t meet the movie world Lex yet. There’s a chance you could start with a well-intentioned business man who turns into the megalomaniac through the film as he acquires more power. So I think the road’s open to have Wayne & Luthor do business initially, though the relationship would of course sour quickly.

  • cjob3

    how does Batman not have a retraining order against Akiva Goldsman at this point?